jueves, 9 de octubre de 2008

Quiz #7: TPTK ante 4-bet preflop

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TPTK ante 4-bet preflop

Tipo de juego: $1/$2 No Limit Cash FullRing
Tu imagen: Weak Tight
Stacks: Los indicados en la gráfica son los valores antes de iniciarse la mano
Imagen de los oponentes: TAA. (VPIP 18.21 /PFR 6.94 /AT 2.35 / 3bet 2.5%) en 780 manos.
Tu mano: AK
Situación: Todos han foldeado hasta el CO quien realiza un raise de 3BB, tu estás en el BTN y decides hacer un 3-bet a 9BB. SB y BB foldean y el jugador CO decide subirte nuevamente a 20.5BB, de modo que debes pagar 11.5BB para continuar en la mano y teniendo posición decides sólo igualar.
Flop: K Q 5
Tu rival habla primero y entra apostando $50 en un pozo de $85. El flop te da TPTK, pero manos tipo AA, KK, QQ te tendrían vencido.... entonces que tan bueno es este flop para tí ? que haces ?

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66 comentarios:

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Asimov666 dijo...

ummm buen punto... una aclaración al respecto:

- Mi objetivo de no poner comentarios o mi respuesta, es basicamente que las personas se cuestionen en realidad y no se vean influenciados por lo que yo diga. Así le trato de dar un poco de interactividad al asunto y que los lectores sean los participes de esta sección.

Ya pasado algunos dias y en base a los comentarios (si los hay) si suelo dar alguna opinión al respecto.

Asimov666 dijo...

Además creéme que me esfuerzo porque la decisión no se tan obvia y siempre el volumen de respuestas por todas las opciones me da a entender que de algún modo estoy en el camino correcto...

Por lo que a veces lo de "respuesta correcta" ni yo mismo la tengo clara XD...

Unknown dijo...

Como esta jugada la mano preflop en el flop es un ALLIN!! sin ninguna duda, porq no tendria sentido igualar la apuesta preflop para ligar TPTK y foldear la mano (si igualamos es para ligar y comprometernos con el bote).

Desde mi punto de vista la mano se debe definir preflop y no en el flop como esta en el quiz.

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Haroldmk dijo...

Es un fold. Un tipo que tiene menos de 7% de PFR tiene un 4-bet% bastante bastante reducido que yo pondría en QQ+. En todos los casos estamos vencidos.

Podría tener AK pero lo pongo en duda, con esa mano no habría hecho un 4-bet tan corto, definitivamente nos quería en la mano y con AK pienso que habría metido hasta un allin.

Unknown dijo...

La jugada correcta es fold preflop.

hacer fold postflop habiendo decidido entrar a la mano es botar el dinero a la basura

Sirfreddy dijo...

creo q el fold es preflop,,,ante este jugador estamos claramente por debajo preflop.

Pero una vez en flop psss ya raise allin, no vamos a pagar un 4to bet para tirarnos con TP TK estariamos jugando al bobo si pagamos tanto dinero preflop y nos arrugamos post flop.

saludos

TioRico PoKer dijo...

cometido el error preflop pues pa mi call es una buena opción y esperar que pasa en el turn y river, pero igual la mano ya no se puede foldear.

Fernando Gahete dijo...

Es evidente el fold antes la cuarta, pero ya que hemos calleado (wrong button), raise all in.
Sólo le vamos a tirar al mazo con QQ si lleva premium, el AK es poco probable. Evidentemente con AA o KK estamos muertos, pero si vamos a asumir que sólo nos va a hacer la 4ª con AA o KK... ¿porqué no tenemos una notita que lo diga?
¿Y si tenemos la notita para qué hacemos call preflop?
Creo que el 75% de las veces vamos contra AA o KK, pero podremos tirar todo lo que no sea eso.

En fin, mal jugado preflop.
Evidentemente nuestro rival ha podido meternos con

Juan Miguel Barbero dijo...

Contra este tipo de jugador en cuanto menos problemas nos metamos mejor, pero veo que nos hemos metido en problemas,así que si no queremos perder más dinero. FOLD

rhalala dijo...

call al 4b con ak ?¿¿'???¡¿¿'??

penique99 dijo...

el error esta pre flop, call a 4bet desde un tio que esta en utg, mal asunto, aunque aqui faltarían stats, para tomar una decisión... una vez cometido el error, me dejo la cajita que pa eso me meti en ese lio.... sino tendría que haberlo pensado antes.....imo.

penique99 dijo...

perdón el tio es co, ni me lo pienso all in, el esta en posición de robo...... all in claro.. pero el error esta preflop .... sorry

Aliasjake dijo...

La pregunta del test es que se hace en el flop. La mayoria dice que hacer fold PF es la jugada correcta, pero no es lo que preguntan en el quiz. Por mi parte, creo que es fold en el flop, pq como dijo HaroldMK, tiene 7% PR, el rango esta por QQ+, y ya estamos dead!
Saludos

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