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Variar con los sets

En todas partes leemos que debemos cambiar nuestro juego para batir nuestros rivales, en especial a los que consideramos buenos jugadores... pero aún así creo que es primera vez que opto por hacer un triple-check con un set flopeado.




Resalta la siguiente línea para ver la mano del rival.
Player 3 shows AA

Vaya, lo que tiene que hacer uno paga ganar en estos tiempos... lol

43 comentarios:

Amyad dijo...

mola perooooo no te parece desorbitado pagar 6BB con 33?

Christian dijo...

Ese alto pago en el flop significa que el amigo asimov confia en su habilidad postflop o en la debilidad del rival

Asimov666 dijo...

Yo odio el Dead Money, si pago la obligada es porque voy a pagar el raise.. y un raise a 5BB mas.. lo pago siempre con pares si ambos estamos full stacks.

Asimov666 dijo...

A no ser que el tipo le guste raisear muy light donde yo no tenga nada de implícitas, pero este rival sabia que algo llevaba.

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Sirfreddy dijo...

algun dia lei lo soguiente:.....si igualas en primeras es por q estas dispuesto a pagar un raise y por supuesto q un regular de nl100 como ASIMOV no va a hacer call para foldearse ante un raise standar de un full stack.

resultado: + media caja.

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Haciendo call en el flop y check en turn, jamás rentabilizarás esa jugada. Sólo ganas media caja contra la mejor mano que podía tener tu oponente en todos los spots posibles -en realidad AK ligando dobles y tú un set es todavía mejor, pero vamos, eso ya es ciencia ficción-. Si vas a hacer setmining lo mínimo mínimo es poder sacar la caja del oponente cuando tiene AA. Si no, ni empieces a jugar pares pequeños desde early porque te van a costar dinero. Tienes que resubir el flop o apostar el turn y crear un bote que te permita jugar por stacks en el river.

"pero es que entonces se tira hasta de AA". Bueno, mejor, porque si se tira hasta de AA, le resubes el 30... 40% de los spots de farol y ya verás como eso sí que es rentable. Y si se adapta y empieza a jugar por stacks con tptk y overpair, pues ya puedes sacarle la caja un % razonable de veces con set.

Lo que no puedes es usar una línea de apuestas tan débil, porque así no tienes ni fold equity ni showdown equity, y pgando 6bb preflop contra un jugador que ni siquiera tiene 100, en el mejor de los casos vas a dejar de ganar dinero, y me temo que en ese spot en concreto vas a perderlo. Vamos, yo creo que esa mano de media te cuesta dinero... pagar 6bb preflop con 33 y conformarse con ganar media caja contra AA es EV-... no sé qué manos esperas que te paguen una caja entera, porque como sean sólo trips y dobles no vas a rentabilizar tu call preflop nunca, dado que no haces nada que pueda valer como farol en toda la mano. Y no puedes jugar flojo tus sets y fuerte tus faroles, porque en cuanto un jugador te pille te va a masacrar post-flop.

Otra cosa... yo postearía siempre las manos en foros, no en el blog. Si posteamos las manos en los blogs se vuelve super complicado postear manos y tener buenos comentarios de todo el mundo, yo creo que es mucho mejor ponerlas en foros... al menos ponerlas en los dos sitios, si acaso.

Un saludo!

Asimov666 dijo...

Muy cierto lo que dices Sergeon, y a decir verdad pocas veces los juego así.. (mejor dicho nunca).

Aunque ganar media caja con un set realmente no es EV-, sigue siendo positiva pero no por mucho.

Saludos.

Unknown dijo...

No me gusta pagar 6BB con 33.....si dices que no te gusta la deadmoney es mejor hacer raise directo preflop, ya que la mayoria de veces te vas a encontrar con un raise en MP o Late posicion cuando entras de limper, y si no ligas el set la mayoria de veces te pondras en modo check-fold y eso si que es dead money..
en mi opinion en NL100 para arriba, es mejor entrar abriendo el bote en early desde 22+ o hacer fold directamente si crees que tienes problemas con estas manos, esto debido a que tienes la iniciativa de la mano y te vas a poder llevar el pot muchas veces postflop.

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